Hockey Blog Beat – December 1, 2011.

Reaction from Ducks bloggers on their team’s coaching change…Does the Ducks coaching change kill the Bobby Ryan trade rumors?…Is the Crosby vs Ovechkin rivalry dead?…The topic of loyalty and trade rumors…Time for Jamie Benn to take controll of the Stars…This week in Bruins history…Why lying to the media is okay in the NHL…Rise in NHL team values and players costs heighten labour dispute fears?…Holiday wishes for the Lightning…Why it’s okay again for Flyers fans to hate the Rangers.

ANAHEIM CALLING: Several Ducks bloggers analyze the Ducks replacing Randy Carlyle as head coach with former Capitals coach Bruce Boudreau. The verdict? It’s a good thing.

BLUESHIRT BANTER: Joe Fortunato suggests the Ducks coaching change could kill off the Bobby Ryan trade rumors, of which the Rangers were considered among the front-runners. If a deal did fall through, however, Fortunato believes that’s not necessarily a bad thing for the Blueshirts.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Rangers are playing well, and they’re well-stocked in promising youth. They’ll survive if they don’t get Ryan.

PUCK DADDY: Greg Wyshynski believes the Sidney Crosby-Alexander Ovechkin rivalry isn’t dead because of the latter’s declining performance, only diminished.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: If Ovechkin can regain his mojo, it’ll rev back up again big time. 

THE STRANGEST ONE OF ALL: Scotty Wazz on the subject of loyalty and trade rumors, regarding Calgary’s Jarome Iginla and Ottawa’s Daniel Alfredsson.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: I discussed this topic with Scotty and the “P Boys” on the Face Off Hockey Show last night. I’m old enough to remember when loyalty counted for something in the NHL, and was sickened several years ago by how Mats Sundin was vilified by Maple Leafs fans and the Toronto media for his refusal to waive his “no-trade” clause in his final season with the Leafs. Loyalty to one team is such a rarity in today’s NHL, especially among star players, and I believe they should be applauded for wishing to stay with their teams, rather than bailing on them like rats from a sinking ship for a “Cup contender” when their team’s on-ice fortunes take a downturn. Too many fans, however, buy into the theory it’s better for those players to accept a trade, in the often misguided belief they’ll land a quality return around which to rebuild. Sometimes that happens; usually, it doesn’t. As Scotty noted, players like Iginla are damned if they do, damned if they don’t. 

DEFENDING BIG D: Brandon Worley calls on Stars center Jamie Benn to step up and take control of the Dallas Stars.

Thornton was dealt to the Sharks six years ago this week.

STANLEY CUP OF CHOWDER: Six years ago this week, the Bruins shipped Joe Thornton to the San Jose Sharks.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Sharks won that deal, no question. On a personal note, it was the first trade I ever “broke” – with a huge assist by Jon Swenson of Sharkspage -on the Face Off Hockey Show, announcing it scant minutes before the major media outlets like TSN and Sportsnet did. Just before I was to appear on the FOHS for my usual segment, Jon informed me via e-mail then-Sharks Brad Stuart, Marco Sturm and Wayne Primeau had been pulled off the ice during pre-game warmups, meaning something was up. We were less than ten minutes into my segment when Jon followed up saying those three had been shipped to Boston for Joe Thornton. “Stunned” was the only word to describe our reactions when I announced the deal on the show. Sadly, it was the last of the early-season NHL blockbuster trades, as thanks to the salary cap, those trades don’t happen anymore.

THE SCORE: Justin Bourne points out “In hockey, lying to the media is seen as “professionalism”, and it’s annoying.”

SPECTOR’S NOTE: And as Justin pointed out, that behavior won’t be going away anytime soon.

SBNATION.COM: Travis Hughes suggests rising NHL team values and player costs heighten labor dispute fears.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: I disagree. While there are issues both sides need to address, none of them are show-stoppers. There won’t be a work stoppage following this CBA next year. 

RAW CHARGE: Holiday wishes for the Tampa Bay Lightning.

BROAD STREET HOCKEY: Why it’s okay for Flyers fans to hate the Rangers again.


  1. ‘The Strangest one of them all’, totally agree with the article. The two of them have been the face of their respective teams for a long time and the only way either of them moves is if they ask. From this fan’s perspective I’d still love to see either or both raise the cup before they retire. It would be a fitting end to both of their great careers.

  2. I beg to differ on the Bruins and Sharks Thornton trade. If success is measured by stanley cups then the Bruins are the winners. They used two (Stuart & Primeau) of those three players to aquire Ference and Kobasew from CGY. Ference is still with the bruins and he helped bring a stanley cup and more leadership to the bruins then Thornton ever did. Ference is a +3 with the bruins all time in the playoffs Thornton is a whopping minus 18 with the Sharks. And probably the main reason they don’t have a cup win despite being favorites every year. If your top guy is always a minus during the important season (playoffs) then you don’t have a chance in hell. Yes sir Bruins win this trade hands down, cause i’ll take a Stanley cup over anything Thornton has done any day of the week and so would anyone else. Nobody says i hope my team doesn’t win the stanley cup, then turn around and say i hope my favorite player leads his team in scoring instead, that just doesn’t happen. Bruins 1 San Jose 0
    The Bruins started there plan once Thornton was traded, 5 years later there Champions and Jumbo Joe is still trying to figure out how the playoffs work

  3. I believe the Ducks will give Boudreau between 10-15 games to see if he has any kind of positive turnaround effect on the team before considering any trade offers for Bobby Ryan and furthermore with the Christmas trade freeze deadline approaching, should the coaching change not prove fruitful, expect Ryan to be on the block near or at the trade deadline

  4. As a Bruins fan I can honestly say that the Thornton trade was a big time loss for us. We won the cup, but only because Chiarelli was able to turn the garbage we got in that trade, into solid contributing role players. That is the worst trade maybe in sports history. We got more for Phil Kessel, who wasnt even signed and had nothing close to the resume that Jumbo Joe had. They made the right decision to build the team around Bergeron and get rid of Thornton but damn we got taken for a ride on that trade.