NHL Lockout Morning Coffee Headlines – November 6, 2012.

The US Presidential election takes place today, but all eyes in the NHL world are focused upon New York City and the latest round of NHL CBA negotiations. Read on for the latest.


NHL CBA talks resume today in New York City.

CSNPHILLY.COM: Tim Panaccio reports an NHL spokesman said not to expect a formal news conference after today’s negotiating session between the league and NHLPA, hoping silence will help the talks gain traction. Panaccio cites the PA’s desire the league guarantee all existing contracts (“the owners would make up any differences between revenue and salaries by providing escrow themselves – and not the players.”), while the league wants the players to accept a 50-50 split in hockey-related revenues.

CBC.CA/USA TODAY: Dan Oldfield and Kevin Allen give reasons why a new CBA could be near which would see the league begin in early-December, citing (among them) an urgency on both sides toward getting a deal done, plus there’s still time to stage a meaningful season.

LOS ANGELES TIMES: Helene Elliott reports sources claiming players and some influential owners are putting pressure upon their respective negotiators to get a deal done

TORONTO SUN: The Ottawa Sun’s Bruce Garrioch reports sources say league commissioner Gary Bettman and league officials were spurred into renewing talks with the PA due to public backlash from the league’s decision to cancel the Winter Classic.

CSNNE.COM; Joe Haggerty reports of “wild whispers” in the hockey world of the league staging a scaled down version of the Winter Classic (though not involving Toronto and Detroit) if a season-saving CBA can be reached.

ESPN.COM: Pierre LeBrun believes there’s still reason to be cautious as talks resume, suggesting negotiations remain in a delicate state, and the players still wish to know more about the league’s proposal regarding its “make whole” provision on contracts.

 NEW YORK POST: Larry Brooks believes if the league enters talks considering its “make whole” provision  a concession rather than a obligation, the talks (and likely the season) is doomed. He reports “several individuals” claim the league “will be willing to negotiate off its proposed five-year contract term limit and 5-percent variance on annual salary”, though it remains committed to increasing the eligibility age/experience for UFA status to 28/eight years, and lowering entry-level contracts to two years. The AHL provision and retroactive punishment regarding front-loaded contracts “are as much teams issues as NHLPA issues”.

TORONTO STAR: Kevin McGann cites a player on the NHLPA bargaining committee claiming the two sides still remain far apart, noting the league has yet to make a formal proposal regarding the “make whole” provision on players contracts.

 THE GLOBE AND MAIL: David Shoalts cited an NHL governor (who spoke on condition of anonymity) suggesting if the two sides can reach agreement soon on the major issues (like the division of HRR), the rest can be worked out later.

STARTRIBUNE.COM: Michael Russo recently reported on what both sides could get from a new CBA.

SPORTSNET.CA: Mark Spector with a list of “hawkish” and “dovish” NHL owners.

ADVERTISING AGE: A look at how Bauer Hockey is coping with the NHL lockout.

 THE BUFFALO NEWS: Sabres winger Thomas Vanek has returned to Buffalo after playing in Austria for the past month.

 NEW YORK POST: NY Islanders oft-injured goalie Rick DiPietro denied a recent report claiming he’d suffered a groin injury playing in Germany.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Safe to say the NHL CBA talks are reaching a critical juncture if there’s to be a 60-game season beginning in December. The key factor remains the “make whole” provision. The players want the owners to honor existing contracts, while the league hopes to convince the players to accept their provision (especially if the owners agree to pick up part of the cost of future losses to players contracts) to facilitate an 50-50 split in revenue.

I don’t doubt the negotiators on both sides are feeling pressure from within to reach an agreement, but it remains to be seen if that plays any part in this round of talks. Forget about a scaled down Winter Classic if this season is saved. That won’t happen. As I noted yesterday, the division of hockey related revenue is the biggest issue, but it’s not the only one, and there are other notable ones to be hammered out before a deal can be reached. All we can do now is hope the two sides make progress this week toward a resolution.


  1. Lots of rumors only LeBrun is true no Blah Blah in his words just real facts

  2. anyone can guess what is going on? i think december one way or the other is the key. if i had to play the guessing game i would say the next two weeks will be it. 60 games would be great for the older players. if they do not play at all. good by fans. this is kinda of like the doan deal. where is he play all you heard. it got to the point where i did not give a damn where he played. same is happening with the current contract talks.

  3. Sources?? Rumours?? I can understand the medias need to put their 800 words in a column and collect a paycheck but I truly wish that people would stop making things up that end up having a pendulum affect on the fans and their emotions. The players have been playing this “not all the owners are in agreement” yet at the same time most media sources report “the players are still standing in unison”. When everything is based on rumours, how come one side is always falling apart, and the other is getting stronger?

    Reality check, there is not an owner in the league who runs the risk of losing his franchise with no season, in fact, the franchises with the biggest losses actually lose much much less if there is no season under the existing CBA. And the idea that these weak willed men who stumbled into billions of dollars are just a bunch of sheep following Bettmans staff is another of the players ridiculous mantras. Are there owners who could live with the old CBA, sure, the big boys would make money no matter what. But unless we want to go back to an original six league, and throw away those national TV contracts, the weak sisters count too. And these timid owners sitting afraid in the dark might just be a little tougher and stronger than folks want to believe. They started a lockout fully aware of what happened last time, and they didn’t hesitate. Now that they are in a lockout, why in all of Gods green earth would they roll over half way through and give up? These boys were prepared to lose the money, and I can guarantee that they have told Bettman “If we have to lose the money, then we better damn well get what we want”.

    I love hockey and hockey players, but when it comes to strength and accomplishment and savvy, there isn’t any group of players who could stand up to an owner. And considering over 200 players don’t have contracts next year……I personally find it hard to believe that those 200, and the players like Iginla and Smythe who are losing $5 and $7 million AGAIN as well as another season to solidify a HHOF nomination, are as steadfast behind the union as OV, Crosby and Toews say.

    The end result is the players as a whole have much more to lose than the owners, and the owners know from last time that they have the leverage. This is far from over.