NHL Lockout Morning Coffee Headlines (Slow Progress edition) – November 9, 2012.

NHL CBA talks reach its fourth straight day in New York amid concerns of little progress between the two sides.


NHL CBA talks will continue today in New York.

CBC.CA/CANADIAN PRESS: The NHL and NHLPA appear to be “inching closer” to a new CBA, but league commissioner Gary Bettman and NHLPA director Donald Fehr admit there’s still a lot of work to be done. The NHL responded Thursday to two proposals regarding revenue sharing and the “Make Whole” option presented by the PA on Wednesday, but neither side would acknowledge progress was being made.

SPORTSNET.CA: Michael Grange reports there’s “no real momentum” happening in the current negotiations, which sources claimed were “slow and labored”, suggesting the two proposals put forward by the PA were considered “more of the same” by the league. Once again, the main problem is the league’s determination for a 50-50 revenue split to occur immediately, while the players – concerned over potential losses from such an immediate reduction – want the league to honor existing contracts.

NEW YORK POST: Larry Brooks reports the PA presented a proposal which would see their division of HRR lowered to 51 percent by Year Three and 50 percent by Year Four of the CBA, depending upon the rate of revenue growth. Sources also claim the PA won’t accept a cut in pay as a result of their share of revenue declining to 50 percent. The league reportedly responded with a counter-proposal but it’s unknown what it contained.

ESPN.COM: Pierre LeBrun reports the two sides avoided a “meltdown” in negotiations over the PA two proposals on Wednesday night, while Craig Custance reports how the amnesty clause might be needed for teams hoping to keep their rosters intact under a lowered salary cap.

NATIONAL POST: Michael Traikos lists the NHL teams with players they might wish to cut loose via amnesty buyout.

THE GLOBE AND MAIL/COLUMBUS DISPATCH:  James Mirtle and Michael Arace explains the necessity of increased revenue sharing for the NHL.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Progress may be slow, but as LeBrun noted, talks didn’t break off with both sides trading barbs in the media. While CBA talks remain at a critical stage, it’s apparent there is real determination on both sides to get a deal done and get back on the ice. As always, the main sticking point is how they reach the 50-50 split. The players don’t want to give up their existing salaries, but by proposing a gradual decrease, it appears they’re acknowledging they’ll have to accept some reduction to their pay. The league, meanwhile, maintains it wants the implementation of that split immediately. How they sort this out is key to advancing these talks toward a resolution. It’s expected negotiations could carry on into the weekend, but we won’t know for certain until today’s talks conclude.


  1. i went and go my Detroit red wings hat out of storage. wearing it which mean hope. i really think a shorter season will help red wings. the older guys shorter season would be nice. let the new kids find out if they can play. i really do not care if they make the playoffs. just get EXPERIENCE.

  2. I was trying to be a glass half full guy on these talks but just cannot see it now.

    PA still standing pat on a 7% growth expectation and only moved the 50/50 from year 6 to year 4. moved a couple of inches.

    NHL added more into revenue sharing but still far short of expectation. moved a couple of inches.

    PA saying NHL getting the 50/50 is enough and will not change anything else. no movement.

    And players wanting full contracts paid i understood fully right up until just now when i now see i misunderstood what they were saying.
    Now they expect to paid in full even if there is just a 60-70 game season,no pro rated salary based on less games. that is a step backward.

    so they moved a few inches forward and also have a step backward when they are looking at a gap that is the Grand Canyon.

    i think my half full glass has spilt on the floor and been washed and is a couple of days away from being stored until 2013.

  3. Am I understanding the hold up correctly or not? Is the hold up really just about how if the HRR was $100M and the players currently receive 57% over of that over the course of their current guaranteed contracts (remaining years left at 57%) but owners want to slash that down to a 50/50 split effective immediately so if I was making say $1M from the expired deal they think asking a player to give up $70k each year is quite a bit and can see the player’s point.

    • No. It’s not 7% percent of their current salary. it’s 7% of HRR.
      If all contracts where to continue as they are, only cut them some for it to be a 50/50 split, current salary rollback would be about 12,3%.
      But, lets face it, that will not bother most of the pros in their way of life.
      With paychecks like those, 12,3% cut of almost infinite amount of cash is still pretty well paid imo.

  4. Put a fork in the season. They are so apart, their not even on the same playing field. They have about a week to make serious, significant concessions to start a shortened season. Both sides claim to have moved, but in reality, they’ve shifted sideways a little, not moving forward.

  5. Please Donnie…….STOP putting proposals down on the table and just negotiate off the NHL offers. If you don’t do this, Gary will lose what little patience he has left and just cancel the rest of the season. Surely you realize that your best deal will have to be made now……once the season is canned then the players have screwed themselves. Any deal that comes later won’t be as good as what you are being offered now.

  6. What seems to be different this time around, other than the fact that it was the owners who chose not to allow hockey to be played, is the players resolve. Last time around you had a few factions that were not in lockstep with the unions position and were quite verbal in their criticism but thIs time it appears, at least to me that the players are united and are prepared for the cancelation of the entire season if that is what it takes to get what they want. Equally, although maybe not quite as unified as the players, the owners want to change a few of the ground rules regarding players free agent elegibility etc, along with how HRR is divided up.
    While both sides appear to be dug in and prepared for a long, drawn out battle I believe the league was not prepared for the pressure that has been asserted on it from people as prominent as the U.S. president all the way to the long time, influential sponsors. Sadly, I must agree with Lyle inasmuch as I see the duration of these negotiations possibly eating up so much time that this season could easily be lost. If indeed this does happen it could weaken the resolve of the players as they will never be able to recover this years lost salary, and everything that they are able to gain through these negotiations, depending how they come out, will cost them dearly.
    At some point someone has got to blink and the longer they stare across the table, and no matter whose side you are on, we the fans are the losers.

  7. Gary is not going to stare much longer guys. He is the one holding the axe…….the axe that will cut down the season…..players, you have to bend and make the best deal you can , RIGHT NOW !

  8. Players have to understand that the guy who signs those huge cheques for everyone makes the rules. Deal with it. I would rather have 4.4 million of my 5 mill contract than lose a whole year and possibly lose 20% for the rest of my deal, plus the entire 5 million of a lost season. You can’t negotiate with the NHL because there’s like 10-12 teams that either shouldn’t be in the league or are struggling. The union doesn’t want any team contraction and is fine with the NHL running a team financially. If they cancel the season you will see probably 2 teams fold and maybe 2 move. Could be the best thing to happen to hockey in years. All for 13% and forcing players to work for their contracts by performing at a high level for 5 years at a time.