The NHL makes a second CBA proposal to the NHLPA, more players making lockout plans, CBA talks hold prospects in limbo while threatening jobs of lesser players overseas, and Alex Pietrangelo to have minor surgery.

TSN.CA: The NHL tabled a second CBA proposal to the NHLPA, who are currently studying it. As per Rob Rossi of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, the highlights are:

>> The overall impact would reduce original proposal by about $460 million over the life of the deal, and $120 million in Year 1;

>> The proposed six-tear term is three years fixed dollars, and three years 50-50 split after minor/rational definitional changes to hockey-related revenue;

>> The salary cap set at $58 million in Year 1, $60 million in Year 2 and $62 million in Year 3;

>> The players share percentages over a six-year term ranges from a low of 49.6 percent to a high of 51.6 percent under a new HRR definition;

>> The deal considers a moderate reset on players share dollars in Years 1-3, (1.5, 8.5 and 5.5 percent decreases off of 2011/12 numbers). There is a recovery for players projected in Years 4- 6;

>> There is not a collectively bargained rollback to existing contract values.

KUKLA’S KORNER: George Malik has a complete rundown of the media reaction to the proposal as well as weighs in with his own thoughts.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The good news about this proposal is the NHL is willing to operate off the NHLPA’s first proposal, moving off from their initial hard line offer toward the “50-50″ split  of hockey-related revenue (HRR) everyone assumed was its ultimate goal, and the players salaries won’t be rolled back. The bad news is the league still expects revenue-sharing to come from the players reduced share of HRR, and implements a form of salary rollback via escrow. Lowering the salary cap without a rollback puts 16 teams over the league’s proposed $58 million cap for next season, which would result in a rash of buyouts, demotions and trades.  We also don’t know if the league is still seeking significant changes to free agency, arbitration and contract lengths. I assume the PA will make a counter-offer by week’s end. 

NEWSOBSERVER.COM: The problems for small market NHL teams keeping pace with a rising salary cap floor was foreseen by a few pundits eight years ago.

Datsyuk considering offers from KHL.

MLIVE.COM: Detroit Red Wings star Pavel Datsyuk is weighing KHL options in the event of an NHL lockout.

ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER: Anaheim Ducks star Teemu Selanne could play in Finland this season if there’s a lockout.

COLUMBUS DISPATCH: The uncertainty over the CBA negotiations has Blue Jackets prospect Ryan Murray in limbo with his preparations for the upcoming season.

OTTAWA SUN: Former NHL goalie Fred Brathwaite is hoping for one more shot at playing in the NHL, but might have to soon decide on playing again in Europe if it appears another NHL lockout could happen, as current NHLers could take away jobs in Europe from players like him.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: NHL players who play in Europe during a lockout will be criticized for taking jobs from lesser players, but if it weren’t for the owners of European teams willing to exploit an opportunity to hire stars not usually available to them, there wouldn’t be any jobs for those NHL stars to take. It’s not as though NHL players are bursting into the offices of those European teams and demanding to be hired.

STLTODAY.COM: Blues defenseman Alex Pietrangelo will undergo minor surgery for a “lower body” injury. Pietrangelo suffered a sprained knee in this spring’s playoffs, but it’s unknown if the surgery is tied to that.

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13 Responses to NHL Morning Coffee Headlines – August 29, 2012.

  1. DaBroons says:

    Having the NHL agree to negotiate based on the PA’s initial offer is a huge step forward. However, w/o rollbacks, I don’t have teams will get under a $58 cap. The Broons can get from $69 to $59.8, by putting Savard’s contract on LTIR and getting rid of Thomas via trade or waivers. If they only carry 20 players, then they would be at $59.2.

    I would expect that the cap would be negotiated up to at least $60, perhaps $62.

  2. DaBroons says:

    Having the NHL agree to negotiate based on the PA’s initial offer is a huge step forward. However, w/o rollbacks, I don’t know how many of those 16 teams will get under a $58 M cap. For example, the Broons can get from $69 to $59.8, by putting Savard’s contract on LTIR and getting rid of Thomas via trade or waivers. If they only carry 20 players, then they would be at $59.2.

    I would expect that the cap would be negotiated up to at least $60, perhaps $62.

  3. TopRightCorner says:

    All GMS knew long ago that the cap was very iffy at 70 this year and were well aware the new cba was out to lower the cap and maybe by a lot.
    All teams that have gone out and already spent the 70 will either have a plan in place to get down or they simply were very stupid and gambled very badly.
    as for trading expensive players like thomas remember the cap floor drops down a lot too so i am not sure any team would need to still add salary to make it.

    On a side note this is another thing that really bugs me about the NHL players.
    a lock out looks strong right now but a bunch of players,many already very well paid stars,are going to say oh well a lockout,guess i will just go play overseas.

    that shows very little support for their hockey brothers,takes jobs away from lesser players overseas and says okay guys that are staying here you go fight the good fight for me while i play and make even more money while you get no money but all the grief.

    i can just imagine a union job where you say okay guys you man the picket lines and negotiate and do the media talking but i have to skip it because my buddy got me a temp job at his place.
    but be sure to give me a call when all is settled since i will only be making about 80% of my salary at the other job.

    this is why i have a hard time being on the players side.
    the top 30% star to superstar players do not give a rats butt about the bottom 30%.
    they want an agreement that keeps those mega million long term deals for them while more and more lesser players get less or end up playing in the minors or overseas.

    • Bradley97 says:

      To quote Lyle from above on your very point:

      SPECTOR’S NOTE: NHL players who play in Europe during a lockout will be criticized for taking jobs from lesser players, but if it weren’t for the owners of European teams willing to exploit an opportunity to hire stars not usually available to them, there wouldn’t be any jobs for those NHL stars to take. It’s not as though NHL players are bursting into the offices of those European teams and demanding to be hired.

      So I don’t understand your rant at all.

      • Bickleton Wigglesworth III says:

        additionally, if i remember correctly, most the NHL players that played in europe during the last lock-out were making much less than their NHL salaries. it never really seemed about the money more about the competition and getting/staying in shape for a return to the NHL.

        that doesn’t make the lesser players that only have the option of playing in europe feel any better but addresses your argument that NHL players are money-hungry.

    • puckgod says:

      What part of “Lockout” don’t you get? How is it the players fault that they can’t play? Just because the owners want to play hardball, and lockout the players, while “negotiating” a new contract, why do you think that the players should refuse to find other work? They’re not making any money while they’re locked out, and many of these players are NOT “independently wealthy”! A lot of the younger players still have the same kind of bills/ expenses that everybody else has, and can’t live on their “savings” indefinitely. The owners hope, and expect to wait them out, because of that cost of living that most of these players will face! Comparing some players with a ton of money, and most with a much more modest cache vs. MULTI-MILLION/ BILLION OWNERS…is apples/ oranges!

      • TopRightCorner says:

        so you have no problem with euro players losing their jobs where they can play to nhl players who make far more then they do?

        it is fine that they need those jobs to survive but get replaced by what amounts to scabs?

        i would be pretty pissed if i was making 100k and some mega multi millionaire nhl scab took my much needed job to make some extra bucks and stay in shape.

        it is fine with you that the majority of players must wait it out but some are allowed to play and make money while they are not?

        in that case i hope all the players in the majority,that is making 2 million or less say the hell with you stars i am not losing any much needed pay right now while i may only have a year or 2 left to earn and they vote to sign whatever is on the table on sept 14th.

        they may as well take a me stance too and look out for themselves and let the future players fight it out later when the present are retired.

        and i agree the owners can wait them out which is the point.
        the big names will cash in those bonus up front cheques and still get the big bucks when they return.
        the lesser lights will be out much needed cash and worry about even having a job.

        this is supposed to be about all 700+ nhl players and future players and they should all stand side by side in the fight.

        if they are all about themselves then they deserve to be crushed by the owners.

  4. shawn says:

    wow why the nhl just does not find a way to stop raising the cap is silly.its easy to put into a contract and allow signing bonus and incentive clauses instead of raising the cap.or a bonus paid out to all players at end of the fiscal year based on what the nhl made and if profits grow or stay the same.have it like the nfl where you can tag a player a franchise player and his salary does noy count against the cap.if they just drop the cap to 58 mill right away alot of teams will be trading players.once again the players suffer because owners and gms find ways ariund the cap.

  5. TopRightCorner says:

    Bradley,

    it has nothing to do with euro owners.
    the players are not supporting their fellow players and are out for themselves and not caring about other euro players losing jobs.

    they should be united and say we are in a labour dispute and will not be working elsewhere.
    instead they are going to work and make good cash while the majority get nothing and have to wait it out.
    that is nothing more then selfish greed and a me first the hell with you attitude.

    but that is nothing new as we already know they will gladly sell out the lesser players and rookies in any agreement if it means they can still get long huge contracts for themselves.

    my rant is simply the players going overseas to play are turning their backs on all the rest of the players and saying me,me is all that counts,and for that i have no sympathy
    for the NHLPA.
    if anything they should tell them to be united and show strength together.

    instead it is okay with them if a chosen few work while the rest suffer.

  6. Captain Ahab says:

    NHL players may not be bursting into the offices of those European teams but that does not mean that their agents aren’t. If they negotiate a contract with a European team for their player, that means the agent gets another pay day percentage to go along with the one he got from getting his player an NHL contract.
    I don’t like to see NHL players going over to Europe to play but if the league locks the players out there is a need to show the greedy owners that their’s is not the only game (and paycheck) in town.
    Hopefully they get a deal done and hockey goes ahead right on time but the league issued the September 15th deadline and now each tick of the clock brings them closer to the line they drew in the sand and NHL players boarding overseas flights.

  7. Jrd18 says:

    I count 16 teams that will have to drop salary most by about 10 mill, which is why I don’t expect the cap to be a final number of 58 but probably 60-65. Which still leaves quite a few teams with salary to dump. Some of these gas that haven’t done much this offseason may be looking pretty smart come the start of the season.
    On the players taking jobs over seas, I too am not a big fan of this. More towards the stamkos’s, thorntons and Nash’s. I understand it is based on the owners of european teams are handing out contracts so you can’t blame the players but I think you kind of can. There is a Cba negotiation going on that directly effects these players and there teammates all summer we’ve heard the players are going to stand together and we are going to get more players involved, so what are they leaving for? Are they just in front of the cameras for show and not really having any effect on what the outcome is? And when there is a lockout and the original players of a certain team has there job temporarily replaced by replacement players what do those replacement players get called? Scabs? I don’t know I just see it contradictory and hypocritical.

  8. JJB says:

    Number one, you all need to stop confusing two things. A strike is very different then a lockout. If the players go on strike, they choose to do it and they cannot even go play for another league. If they players are locked out by the league they are allowed to play and guess what that means like every other work for out there you look for the most qualified candidate. You will notice watching most media that teams are only willing to bring on NHL stars if they agree to play for the full season.

    That is the nature of any business in the world. If I am locked out, I am not allowed to work by my employer then I am not going to picket them. I am going to assign a bargaining team and go find a form of employment until I can come back to work. Jobs would also be created at the NHL level if players sign on for year deals in fear of losing the season, they are not obligated to their NHL contracts for that year because it would be a league induced lock out, so those Euro players could always come to the NHL as well.

    Sorry, but that is the way of the world and is ridiculous to say otherwise and not one of you would sit at home making no money when you had the ability to stay job ready and make money on the table.

    • TopRightCorner says:

      We are not confused at all.
      I think you missed the point where those that really do not need the pay are the ones going overseas and taking jobs away from those that do need the job and the pay.

      and they are also leaving those here that need the pay to sit around and wait for a settlement that in the end will be boosting the stars pay up a lot and theirs a little.

      so if a settlement gets reached that is a lot less in the players favour they have nobody but themselves to blame since it will come down to all of them doing what is best individually and now instead of the players overall for now and the future.

      you have pointed out what i think the owners are counting on in that the jobs here are much needed and there is not much choice elsewhere for the average player so they will eventually get fed up watching others make money elsewhere while they get nothing and they will end up giving up and taking what the owners offer.

      i know if i was the average player seeing the others paid and playing and knowing the big guns got their huge bonus and big pay when they return
      and they give a rats butt about me i am going to say sign it as is right now and lets play asap.

      you stand together or fall apart and the players are not stnding together.
      i can see a lockout until around american thanksgiving and then the average guys will say enough,sign it,and the owners will get almost all of what they seek.

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