NHL Trade Rumors – January 6, 2012.

Updates on the Ducks and Blue Jackets, plus the latest on the Hurricanes, Maple Leafs, Blackhawks and Flames.

TSN.CA: Darren Dreger weighed in on recent comments by Anaheim Ducks GM Bob Murray which appeared to suggest he’d be willing to move assets like Corey Perry, Ryan Getzlaf, Bobby Ryan, and young defenseman Cam Fowler for the right price. Not so, according to Dreger, who goes on to report the Ducks aren’t shopping those players, but if those like Perry, Getzlaf and Ryan fail to improve, one of them could be shopped, perhaps at the trade deadline, more likely at the NHL Entry Draft.

Will they stay or go?

ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER: Eric Stephens reports Getzlaf and Ryan acknowledged their play this season has contributed to the Ducks problems but added they wanted to stay and be part of the solution. They also acknowledged Murray made his comments to light a fire under them to step up their play.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Remains to be seen if the message was received, but at least it was acknowledged. If any of those guys hit the market the asking price will be steep, because Murray said he’s not interested in draft picks, and it’s believed he’d want a comparable player in return.Tough to make that kind of deal, especially this time of year. If one of them is to be moved (and I think it would be Ryan), it probably won’t happen until near the June Entry draft weekend, when teams have more money and more willingness to invest in big ticket players.

NBCSPORTS PRO HOCKEY TALK/TSN.CA: report Columbus Blue Jackets GM Scott Howson reiterated he has no plans to trade team captain Rick Nash, whose agent again stated his client doesn’t want out of Columbus.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: I believe them, but don’t expect those denials to keep Nash’s name out of the rumor mill.

NEWSOBSERVER.COM: Luke DeCock Carolina Hurricanes forward Tuomo Ruutu and defensemen Tim Gleason and Bryan Allen admit to be uneasy with all the trade talk swirling about them, acknowledging they could be moving on by the trade deadline. DeCock also reports there might be interest in forward Alexei Ponikarovsky and blueliner Jaroslav Spacek.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Of this group, Gleason and Ruutu are the mostly likely to be moved.

TORONTO SUN: Dave Hilson reports Maple Leafs GM Brian Burke acknowledged trade talk has picked up of late but “we’re listening more than anything”.

CHICAGO TRIBUNE: Chris Kuc reports Dan Carcillo’s recent knee injury could force GM Stan Bowman to make a move if it appears he’ll be out for a lengthy period. Bowman acknowledged he was shopping around prior to Carcillo’s injury.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: The Blackhawks are believed in the market for a second line center and a number six defenseman.

TORONTO STAR: Damien Cox uses the occasion of the Calgary Flames 9-0 beatdown at the hands of the Boston Bruins to call for Flames management to rebuild.

29 Comments

  1. The 9-0 beatdown the Flames faced was a pretty embarrassing game. I really get the sinking feeling this is going to be a very very minor deadline this year.

    Rangers, Boston, Philly, Nucks, Shakrs, Hawks, Wings really just need depth.

    Blues, Wild, Stars, Aves, Sens, Panthers, Devils, Jets, Leafs would be dumb to sell the farm for something big

    Kings, Preds, Caps are the only teams I could see maybe trying to make a big addition and that would be reliant on Caps moving Semin.

  2. The thing I do like about the Flames this year, is there are a bunch of guys currently on the last year of their contract that have played decently and could merit a decent return.

    That 9-0 game was brutal… but to be honest, it was a good wake up call. The road trip was awful, they were playing good teams, and came out with nothing. Getting beat that bad, by the best team (Maybe not points wise, but I take Boston over NYR 99 out of a 100 times) in the NHL should spark Feaster in his “stay the course”.

    I know he doesn’t want to do a full rebuild, and I don’t blame him for that… I’d hate to see Calgary bottom feed like Edmonton for first overalls, just to bottom feed again. But he should be thinking of maybe trying to shuffle the deck with Talent-Talent trades.

    It’s tough cheering for the Flames when they’re not bad enough to grab the first overall, or not good enough to be involved in some playoff hockey.

  3. I think the other issue that becomes hard as well is … all the fans can clamor that the Flames need to rebuild, they need to blow up and create great hockey for the future. Get picks/prospects and the like. But what do the owners think? When you are playing with a bunch of garbage that is going to lose every night are you going to fill the stands? Not likely, you are going to lose money and who wants to do that?

    You need to ensure that the on ice product is still worth watching or its going to get hard. Sure the Flames could live a few years at the bottom and stay a float, but they won’t make much cash while doing it and fans when you do that you end up putting your team in the position that when you CAN compete … the owners don’t have the cash to put out … unless you are like Toronto.

  4. Its hard to judge these days how active teams will be at the deadline. However I do feel this year has the potential to be a big one. Heres a look at some of the stars i feel have the potential to be moved. Weber, Suter, Parisa, Semin, Staal, Nash, pretty much all Anaheim(except Perry, Fowler). Ill start with Nashville, heres a team that just plan wount pay to keep bot Weber and Suter as much as fans would want them to, so the best soulution is to move one of them for cheeper talant rather than wait
    for the summer and either lose Suter or half to ship weber out for less than his max value. Of the two I feel Weber will be moved for three reasons, the most interestin one being they regaurd Suter higher, despite that the second one being Webers trade value is more than suters, and the third being Suter will sign cheeper. So where will Weber go? I say Philly lol but other teams that I think could
    make an offer would be Colorodo and the Islanders as they have lots of peices and a need for a big name Defenceman.Maybe for the Islanders DeHann, Okospo Bailey and this years 1st and 2nd for Weber or for Colorodo Stoa, Stastney, Wilson, 1st and 2nd. Anyway like I Said i think it will be Philly
    that lands him. Next Parisa, I feel Parisa will probably just resign but if that doesnt happen I think LA could be their partner with a deal centering around Bernia and Johnson (also Weber for Parisa strait up would be conceivable lol). Semin will not go anywhere as in my opinion he is no more talanted than Zeredev and about the only softer player in the game! Seriously put zeredev next to ovechkin and backsrom 2 years ago and he would have put up the same points.Staal will most likeley stay put but if he is avalible you betterthink Burke is makeing offers. i think a realistic offer for burke to land either Staal or Getzlav whould center around Schenn, Colborne,and Bozak. The only other pLace I could see Staal or Getzaf goingwould be Calgary in deals centering around Boemeister, Bourque and
    Bartishi. The other big two i also would say most likely would end up in LA if they got moved and thats Nash and Ryan. LA will have serious intrest in getting one of these three LW(Nash,Parisa,Ryan). Ryan might be hard to get since LA and ANH dont make to many deals. Nash probly won’t go anywhere but im sure LA could send them a pacage that would make them think! So in conclusion i say Weber Will move, Nash, Ryan, Parisa Might end up in LA, Staal or Getzlaf Could end up in Toronto or Calgary, and Semin wont go anywhere. other players on the move will be Hemsky, Penner, Visnovsky, Nabokov.

    P.S. Hemskys trade value is way lower than last year but i bet they can still land a 1st, and if the ducks do move Ryan I think they might think about bring back Penner! Getzlav Perry and Penner was Dangerous.

    PPS Selanne to Winnapeg sounds full circle to me!

  5. “Tough to make that kind of deal, especially this time of year. If one of them is to be moved (and I think it would be Ryan), it probably won’t happen until near the June Entry draft weekend, when teams have more money and more willingness to invest in big ticket players.”

    I disagree with the statement simply because half the money owed to the players with those big contracts have been already paid out and plus some of these players will have only one year left after this season. The main problem I see with the asking price being a player of comparable player in return is what is a limiting factor since it will be hard to find one of the ilk such as these three players in question. If he’s talking dollars well then I can certainly see two or three for one happening but a one for one, I doubt any team would or could do that.

  6. A Donnybrook. They still have their full salaries for next season, which still makes them difficult to move in that regard as teams have to free up the cap space. Furthermore, Ryan is on a multi-year deal stretching beyond next season, which is difficult – not impossible, but difficult nevertheless – to move. Perry and Getzlaf are also UFAs after next season, so there’s uncertainty there if they aren’t willing to consider negotiating an extension after they’re dealt. Finally, there’s the upcoming CBA negotiations, which could also hang over the trade market the longer they go without a deal in place.

    History has shown that most of the NHL trades involving big name players with big contracts usually occur in the off-season, rarely during the season.

  7. Who the heck is Parisa? Okospo? Getzlav? Boemeister? Stastney? Zeredev? Bartishi? Bernia? DeHann?

    Do you mean Parise? Okposo? Getzlaf? Bouwmeester? Statsny? Zherdev? Bartschi? Bernier? De Haan?

    Where’s Winnapeg? Is it near Winnipeg?

    Tristan, meet space bar. Space bar, meet Tristan. And Google. Or Hockey DB.

  8. >>>>“Tough to make that kind of deal, especially this time of year. If one of them is to be moved (and I think it would be Ryan), it probably won’t happen until near the June Entry draft weekend, when teams have more money and more willingness to invest in big ticket players.”<<<<

    I disagree with the statement simply because half the money owed to the players with those big contracts have been already paid out and plus some of these players will have only one year left after this season. The main problem I see with the asking price being a player of comparable player in return is what is a limiting factor since it will be hard to find one of the ilk such as these three players in question. If he’s talking dollars well then I can certainly see two or three for one happening but a one for one, I doubt any team would or could do that.

    Exactly correct, this isn't a young Joe Thrornton about to sign his second deal and wanst the moon…it is a coupe players who are already established, and unless a team is looking to overhaul by trading THEIR really good young soon to impact first liners for Getzlaf or Ryan, there is NO REASON for Bob Murray to let them go for lesser lights. Bad business period. Done.

  9. XD
    Dumb people…

  10. At Chris
    thanks for correcting my spelling… everybody always loves to have their spelling and gramer corrected lol. But no your right i did write it quick and then just post it. I should have read through, i quess close enough is not good enough lol

  11. @Tristan

    If Weber ends of on the block. What do you think about Edmonton being in the mix. I feel like they could give up one of Smyth/Hemsky with a kid or two depending on their value. Edmonton need defence so bad. And if they wait till the deadline or close to it they could be in the running for the 1st overall pick unless they can turn good play into winning and soon. Hell for Weber I think it would be worth giving up both Smyth and Hemsky if Nashville would go for it and still send a prospect. I am sure Smyth would come back in the offseason and at a much lower salary.

    Could you imagine Edmonton being able to land a D like Weber and still have a shot at Yakupov. That forward core would be tops in the league in a couple years. Eberle, RNH, Hall, and Yakupov. Mix in a couple of veterans for your top six.

    I think if Edmonton can fit this in budget wise you have to go for it.

    I just don’t have the feeling in will even be available.

  12. I have ZERO doubt that Nash will have a new address by the trade deadline. Someone will cough up something that Howson will want by then. Think about the numbers Nash would put up on a good team with a good set-up man! If Ottawa made a pitch for him, he’d be a perennial 50 goal man for the next 6-8 years with Spezza (as long as Spezza re-signed after 2015). I wonder if the Sens were to give up Noesen, Puempel and Stone, that it may be enough to at least start the conversation with Howsen for a Nash to Ottawa deal.

  13. Weber will likely be traded at the deadline, as there is some tough choices to be made in Nashville. A tonne of good young talent on the back end and arguably the best coach in the league to move them forward.

    Having said that- I’ll bet he signs with the Canucks in the off season regardless of who trades for his rights. Much Like Hamhuis did, it would re-unite 2 former teams mates., and B.C. boys, as well as provide a good chance for a cup.It’s Win:Win situation.

  14. Nash to Ottawa would be disgusting, but the sens could probably get it done.
    I love the fact that they got turris and michalek panning out for them.
    Dany heatly screwed them, but it looks like he got the worst of it!!!

    To Toronto
    Jeff Carter

    To Columbus
    Nazim kadri korbanian Holzer mike komisarek 1st Rounder

  15. TJ are you a Van fan? Cause I don’t see weber signing in van. He’d have to take a major pay cut and I don’t see them having the space for him. If weber really wants a shot at a cup maybe but I bet he also wants his 7 mil a year. He spends most of his off season here in kelowna and he loves the high life and money yes 4-5 mil a year is great but the 7-8 he will get is so much better.

  16. Yup- a fan I am

    I see what your saying, but there ae a few things that may make it possible.

    Salo is an aging vet on a 1 yr 2 mill contract, not likely to resign if this kick at the cup doesn’t work out.

    Something has to give in the Schneider sweepstakes, and I would geuss it would be picks in return as we already have one of the better goalies in the “A” with the likes of Eddie Lack. Scheids makes good cash. Alberts is expedible, especially with a player like Weber filling the spot. Sulzers played well, Tanev is still in the system and I am not sure Ballard will ever get out of the dog house for any period of time.

    So it can work, but to be honest, my best case scenario is to trade Loo for picks, or tape even , sign Schneider, Lack to back him up , and Webber in FA, there may be a slight discount available for us there. Not a Loo hater, just realize in a salary cap world, tough choices need to be made and sometimes you gotta rolls the dice. IMO, Schneiderman is a pretty safe bet.

  17. finally, some Nuck talk.
    I think the Lou/Schneider debate will be settled after the playoffs when we see who rises to the top, but I expect Lou to be in Van. for the long haul and Schnids moved at the draft to get a 1st rounder (maybe?).

    I lot of teams need d-men., Is it inconceivable that no team would take Ballard? His play has improved quite a bit this season and maybe a swap with another bad (but smaller) contract could occur which could be buried in the minors. Alberts would be easier to move. I not a total nut of the Weber to Van. idea, and they should definitely not trade for him, but he would make for a formidable d-corps. He would have to sign for under 6.1mil though.

  18. I don’t know how much to put into what I’ve heard but it was that with crosby’s future uncertain and unlikely to return this year the Penguins might look for a replacement. I would think that 1 of the 3 anahiem players would be a consideration. If the ducks to make 1 of them avaliable, what do you think Pittsburgh could offer that the ducks would look for? I was thinking Jordan Staal. I don’t think he plays to his potential in pittsburgh always behind at least one of Crosby or Malkin. Also Staal would be the 1 for 1 Murray is looking for and both Getzlaf, Perry and Staal have same years and similar money. What do you think?

  19. @donnybrook dont their contracts end on july 1st which means they wouldnt have to pay for half the year? leafs just need stability in goal. they have good forwards and defense on the team and in the farm system, why not part with some spare D men and maybe kuleiman for a decent goalie? cory schneider perhaps?

  20. i think that sounds a lot more reasonable than most of the proposals people have been throwing out there. IMO, the Pens would rather Perry as he is more versatile than either Getz. or Ryan, and so I would also guess that Murray would rather dish Ryan over the other two for that same reason.

  21. @ ryan,
    IMO, Van. would be more interested in a forward prospect and/or draft pick/draft position swap. Van has 2 decent d-prospects in the system and a back-log of NHL d-men on roster as it is. Although, the trade relations between Van. and Burke are pretty sour. I see TBay as a better trade partner for Schneider.

  22. @AceNewton Another ‘nucks fan here.

    Not sure why we’d move Schneids for a 1st, unless it was a high pick.

    Cory Schneider *was* a 1st rounder (late in 2004), except he’s already developed into a solid #1 prospect, he’s been in our system for 7+ years. The Canucks have already put tons of time and money into developing this guy, why give him up unless you’re getting a known quantity in return? Unless it’s a top-5 pick I don’t see it happening.

    He’s worth way more than 1st and I doubt Gillis gives him up for anything less than a solid top-6 forward and a prospect or pick. Schneids will be in high demand at the deadline, but as most of the media here in Van agree, I think he will be here in the playoffs and likely won’t be moved until after the season is over.

    My $0.02.

  23. @ JRD18 and Ace

    I don’t think the Pens need help at centre, and without Crosby for most of this season they have done very well. They added Neal on the wing and that has helped, so if they are going to add depth it should be to continue to strengthen the wing position and / or defence. So on that point I agree with Ace, but do not think the Pens need to, or are desperate enough, or willing to give up enough, to land the likes of Perry or Ryan.

  24. I agree Schneider will not be moved until the summer if at all. It wouldnt make much sense since he is the only legit goalie Vancouver has to put in goal if Luongo gets hurt. I doubt they would get another goalie of his calibre in a trade either.
    If Nashville is in the playoff picture their is no way they trade Weber. The only way he gets traded is in the summer if Nashville can find a trade partner. In my opinion they should move him to New Jersey. Of course that depends on Parise negotiations as well, but it makes sense. The preds need offense and the Devils covet that big d-man.
    The ducks need to be patient. Just write off this year and start all over next year. Secondary scoring being a priority in the free agent season. Trading their stars away would be ludicrous.
    Tristan, do yourself a favour and go back to school.

  25. Hey thanks for the advise James! Oh and do us a favour take your douchbag comments and keep my name out of them! what a loser lol! By the way theres a comma after the N in WOULDN’T… hey why don’t you try to go back to school! I’m sure you must have been pretty popular there lol. anyway at WillDS yes I’m sure Edmonton could be in the mix the only problem is all your tradable assets are to good to trade. If you want Weber you’d probably have to give up Eberle… or Hall… or RNH. the only thing I could think of is if you do end up getting 1st pick overalll again that is quite a trading chip. Maybe Hemsky, 1st overall, Teubert, and Paajarvi for Weber

  26. Hey thanks for the advise James! Oh and do us a favour take your douchbag comments and keep my name out of them! what a loser lol! By the way theres a comma after the N in WOULDN’T… hey why don’t you try to go back to school! I’m sure you must have been pretty popular there lol. anyway at WillDS yes I’m sure Edmonton could be in the mix the only problem is all your tradable assets are to good to trade. If you want Weber you’d probably have to give up Eberle… or Hall… or RNH. the only thing I could think of is if you do end up getting 1st pick overalll again that is quite a trading chip. Maybe Hemsky, 1st overall, Teubert, and Paajarvi for Weber

    • I’d appreciate you guys knocking off the insults and sticking to the topic at hand.

  27. Sorry Spec feel free to delete it.

  28. nobody in their right minds would pay a 1st, 2nd and 3 prospects for a rental player…Last year we saw one major name in Kaberle get dealt as a rental player which cost the Bruins a 1st, 2nd and a good young prospect. They dramatically overpaid and everyone in the hockey world knew it when the trade happened. This type of mistake wont be made again.