Sunday NHL Rumor Roundup – February 2, 2014.

Latest on Ryan Callahan, Ryan Miller, Thomas Vanek, Jaromir Jagr, Luke Schenn and more.

OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports the Canucks want to acquire a third-line center but GM Mike Gillis is holding off to see if his club can get back on track in the playoff race…There’s a belief the Wild and Capitals are interested in Sabres goalie Ryan Miller. Garrioch claims before new Sabres GM Tim Murray was hired the club asked the Ducks for John Gibson and their first round pick. Garrioch believes the Kings and Canucks should investigate the Sabres’ asking price…Expect the Oilers to move Ryan Jones, Nick Schultz, Corey Potter and Ales Hemsky by the trade deadline…A buyout of Brad Richards by the Rangers this summer seems likely to free up cap space to re-sign their key free agents…Ryan Callahan is believes seeking a seven-year deal worth $6.85 million per season (similar to Boston’s Patrice Bergeron). Garrioch suggests the Blues, Wings and Kings need help up front…The Islanders must find a taker for Thomas Vanek and hopes to get a first round pick in return. They’re also shopping defenseman Andrew MacDonald…Garrioch claims the Canadiens made three offers to the Avalanche for P.A. Parenteau which were rejected…Contract talks continues between the Sharks and Dan Boyle. They won’t move him at the trade deadline.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: I think the Canucks will try to shake things up in the off-season by attempting to move one or two core players, probably defensemen. It won’t happen until the off-season when teams have more cap space and willingness to spend… The Ducks have no need for Ryan Miller. Neither do the Kings and Canucks, who need scoring, not goaltending…The Oilers are likely to be busy near the trade deadline…It’s expected Vanek and MacDonald could be on the move by the trade deadline…If the Habs are interested in Parenteau they might have to wait until the off-season. And no, they won’t trade P.K. Subban for him…Boyle will finish the season with the Sharks and if he wants to stay beyond that he’ll have to accept a one- or two-year deal.

Could Luke Schenn benefit from a change of scenery?

Could Luke Schenn benefit from a change of scenery?

BOSTON GLOBE: Fluto Shinzawa believes it’s not wise for the Rangers to invest big dollars in a long-term deal for Ryan Callahan, a player whose body is breaking down…He wonders if the Oilers have interested in Flyers defenseman Luke Schenn, who’s struggling in Philadelphia…Panthers GM Dale Tallon’s priority is finding assets for impending UFAs like Brad Boyes and Tom Gilbert.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Schenn might benefit from a change of scenery but I’m not sure the Oilers (given their ongoing defensive struggles) are the right destination…Boyes and Gilbert could fetch decent returns for the Panthers by the trade deadline.

THE BUFFALO NEWS: John Vogl lists the forwards, defensemen and goalies who could be shopped by the trade deadline. He lists New Jersey’s Jaromir Jagr among the forwards and Florida’s Tom Gilbert among the blueliners.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Jagr has said he’d prefer to finish the season with the Devils. As he’s their best scoring forward I doubt they’ll move him as long as they remain in the playoff chase.

NEW YORK POST: Larry Brooks wonders if the Rangers might trade Ryan Callahan to the Columbus Blue Jackets if they could get Cam Atkinson in return. He also believes Thomas Vanek will hit this summer’s free agent market…Brett Cyrgalis reports contract talks between the Rangers and Callahan have reached a temporary halt. GM Glen Sather has apparently allowed the Callahan camp to speak with other teams as a way to try and convince Callahan to reduce his asking price. Term, not dollars, is the sticking point as Callahan seeks a seven-year deal while the Rangers would prefer five years.

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS: Pat Leonard reports Callahan’s agent remains optimistic of getting a deal done with the Rangers, and doesn’t have a hard deadline for the Rangers to re-sign or move his client. Only one of the teams the Rangers gave permission to speak with the Callahan camp regarding a contract extension has done so. Leonard claims it was not the Columbus Blue Jackets, who reportedly had interest in Callahan.

CBC.CA: The hotstove panel of Elliotte Friedman, Glenn Healy and guest Nick Kypreos touched on the Ryan Callahan rumors. Kypreos reports a Western Conference team held a short conversation with Callahan’s agent Steve Bartlett who told  Bartlettt he’s asking for too much in dollars and terms. He also believes this is Rangers GM Glen Sather’s way of trying to show Callahan his asking price is too high right now. Healy was dismissive of this.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Sather is trying to convince Callahan that his asking price is not only too high for the Rangers but also for other clubs if he should try to test the free agent market this summer. While it’s up to Sather to decide if he’ll trade his captain before the March trade deadline (if not sooner), it’s ultimately up to Callahan to decide if he wants to accept a shorter term for $6 million per season to remain in New York or take his chances this summer and hope to land what he wants in free agency.

NJ.COM: Randy Miller reports on the possibility of the Devils moving Martin Brodeur.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Sure, it’s possible, but they won’t get much of a return for him by the trade deadline. Brodeur says he won’t ask to be dealt and GM Lou Lamoriello earlier this season dismissed the notion of trading him. Unless one of them makes the first move, it won’t happen.

46 Comments

  1. I’m not sure the Rangers would be wise to sign Callahan to even a 5-yr deal, based on his injuries. But assuming they *do* want to re-sign him, I think Sather is playing a dangerous game.

    People innately don’t like change. Better the devil they know, etc. And I imagine Callahan likes playing for the Rangers. But people actually do enjoy change… once they can get their minds around to the idea of it. Many of us have had this experience with moving (we reeeally don’t want to), until we actually *do* move (and, wow, the new place is actually much better than our old one).

    By allowing Callahan to talk to other teams, that gives his mind time to warm up to the idea of going somewhere else. If Sather is doing it just to convince Callahan to stay, I could see Callahan actually using it as an opportunity to move – even if dollars and term were very similar with the new team.

    Just some random B.S. thoughts on human psychology on a Superbowl Sunday morning :)

    • As a further example, as I’m awake far too early on this insomniac morning:

      We often hear that Player X is an impending UFA and he says, “If Team A trades me, I’ll consider re-signing with Team A in the summer”. Re-signing with the old team has probably happened a few times, but I can’t think of any examples when it did.

      Sometimes, I’m sure, the player doesn’t actually mean it about re-signing, but I think they sometimes do. But they pretty much *never* re-sign with the old team.

      Once they get used to change, it’s not such a bad thing. They just can’t get their heads around it originally. Sather is giving Callahan a lot of time to get his head around it!

  2. As a Rangers fan, I love Ryan Callahan, I think he’s a good leader, and always saw him as a lifer. With that being said, I kinda agree with Sather wanting to make sure he get’s something in return if they cannot reach a deal. I think shorter term is the way to go given he’s been a bit more injury prone, and seems like he’s still trying to resist the urge to jump in front of every shot. Its a transition year for that whole team. I can relate. My group reorged at work last year, I’m reporting to someone new who does things differently. I’m still “adapting to the coaches system.” At the end of the day, when the Rangers finally hoist a cup over their heads, it would almost feel wrong for Cally not to be there. a tough call.

  3. If Callahan can settle for $ 5 million for 5 years in New York with a bigger bonus up front he should take it !
    When things like this go the way it has Callahan may also feel underappreciated and totally stick it to Sather and just wait it out and go UFA. he will get the $5million plus 100% for sure anywhere else. I think the Callahan to the Blues is a great idea for Callahan and the Blues especially with another USA team mate in Backes and to add another Captain to that team would make this team even stronger.
    I think that the Oilers could give Callahan the $6 million he is asking for as that would have been the money they dedicated to Clarkson and would be the money better well spent, plus with some salary dumps on hemsky and the cap going up they need a leader like this on the team desperately!
    If permission to talk to other agents has been granted you can expect a team like the Oilers will be saying to Callahan we will give you the money in the offseason if we can not make a trade for you now.

    Iam still perplexed at this trade by Garth Snow, if he gets a 1st round pick and player out of Vanek it would have been better to have kept the chemistry of Moulson and Tavares together as the draft pick is at least 4 years away and the player will not be anywhere close the player Moulson is, this trade was just awe full by snow, its taking from Peter to pay Paul but in less currency.
    If it is true that Vanek is going UFA that means you can guarantee that Miller will not be going to the Islanders.
    I think the Wild is Millers landing spot especially after last nights game in Calgary they need an elite Goalie who is healthy to round out that team who should be on a cup run this year. Fletcher does not need a number 1 draft pick this year as it will be a low pick in a not so deep draft and has players like Grandlund OR Dumba to dangle, however if Buffalo is making the goalie coming back a top priority in the trade then the Capitals are the better trading partner team in this rumour.

    • Totally agree about the Vanek trade to the Islanders. It almost seems to me that Snow is telling John Tavares that he’s not valued by the team. Unless Moulson re-joins the Islanders as a free agent, which is extremely unlikely, the whole thing makes no sense.

      • If he’s not valued from the islanders I wouldn’t mind the leafs giving up a hefty return for him. Ranger, Lupul. ++
        If he’s not valued that would do the trick.
        Lol

    • Bud, I agree with you on MN needing a goalie – IMO Miller ends up either in St. Lou or MN and MN has Vancouver and Phoenix nipping at their heels. They really can’t afford to lose too many more games. I can see MN trading Heatly/Granlund or Coyle for Miller/Grigorenko. Buffalo has some good goalie prospects in the pipeline so I don’t think a goalie is a must. I see Heatly as more of a salary dump, but with the main return being Granlund or Coyle (Granlund has played with Armia before) – so that would be a great trade.

      If Callahan is talking to teams, maybe Bflo is one. Although I would rather keep Moulson and Ott, Callahan would be a Nolan type of player and bring leadership and skill for our youngsters. Since the cap is rising next year, paying Callahan what he wants or close to it might not be a bad thing.

  4. I would like to see the Leafs get rid of Paul Ranger. Then I would like to see them get Justin Schultz and pair him on with Gardiner. They have history together. I believe I saw here once that the oilers were looking for offers on him. What do you think it would take to get him. Ranger does have history with Eakins so maybe him and a 5th or 4th round pick.

    • Really?? Ranger and a 5th for Shultz seems fair to you? That would be like the Oilers sending Fraser and a 5th to Toronto for Gardiner. Shultz has struggled at times but he will be a very god offensive defensemen for years to come. I wouldn’t trade him for a first round pick and the Oilers certainly don’t need Ranger.

      • Plus we don’t need another offensive D man… I mean who sits? Reilly?

    • It’s Nick Schultz the Oilers might move, not Justin Schultz.

    • Not really fair that the Oilers get Ranger AND a 4th or 5th round pick for just Justin Schultz. Maybe throw in Carter Ashton and a 7th rounder so the Oil will include Eberle, Hall and Nugent-Hopkins to even things out…

  5. Clarkson, Clowe, Malone, Horton (to an extent) all examples of why a player like Callahan should not be locked up for that type of term or dollars. Guys with heart or sand paper break down faster than average. Already see it in Callahan.

  6. cammy from calgary to anaheim for gibson and a second this year. take out the second even. make the deal calgary!

    • Keep The Deal. Never happen, Cami at the end of the line, would rather keep Penner.
      Sorta desperate for a goalie, huh.
      Here is a deal for you

      Fasth, Ducks #1 this year, Ottawa #1 this year ( Ducks own) For Flames #1 this year.

      • i’d add gibson and throw in the swiss kid. may be more peices going around granted. i’d do it in a heart beat

        • You may but no one in the Ducks organization would.

  7. Do you know where Schenn would flourish as a defenseman, Nashville! We all know that Philly has been hard after Shea Weber (a deal I don’t see happening) however this draft could present an interesting opportunity.

    To Philly: D Shea Weber
    To Nashville: F Brayden Schenn, D Luke Schenn, P Scott Laughton, Philly 1st 2014

    Deal works well for both teams. Philly upgrades Schenn into the franchise defenseman they need and with Giroux, Lecavallier, Courtier pro and Cousins in the system center depth isn’t a problem for Philly.

    Nashville will get a young center with high end potential in Schenn as well as a solid center prospect in Laugton and an addition pick in the first round of the draft. By adding L. Schenn as well the Predators keep a defensive core of Jones, Ellis, Del Zotto, Schenn, & Josi. All of those D have good ceilings and are 24 or under. Gives the Preds two 1st round picks, a solid D core, improved forward scoring, and good cap space.

    • If that’s all it will take to pry Weber out of Nashville then I’d say the Buds should put a package together.
      To Leafs: Weber
      To Preds: F- Kadri, D- Franson, P- Biggs, Leafs 1st rounder.
      Just to be clear I’m not saying this package would land Weber but it is certainly comparable to the Philly package.

      • I disagree. I believe Brayden Schenn has much higher ceilings then Kadri does, Luke Schenn is better than Cody Franson, Tyler Biggs has played terribly for the Marlies and I have my doubts he ever makes the NHL, but the 1st rounders are comparable.

        • Also think you are forgetting that the Predators were the ones who shipped Franson out in the first place.

          • I agree with the fact the Preds probably don’t want Franson back but to say Scheen his better then Franson, I would disagree. Throw in Gunnarsson instead of Franson then. Also think B Schenn has no more upside then Kadri. I Agree on the Biggs thing but there are never any guarantees on any prospects.

        • JJB What proof, as in stats that prove what you claim? In all but the Biggs comment your talking out of your a$$ because real world stats completely show the opposite. Typical hater comment – based on nothing?

          • Schenn is a better all around dman than Franson.

            Not a hater, but Franson does not know the defensive end at all.

      • The Flyers package above is worth considerably more than the Leaf package you offer.

        Schenn > Kadri
        Schenn > Franson
        Laughton > Biggs

        The Leafs might get a higher first round pick, as I expect the Flyers to finish above the Leafs in the standings.

        • Ill give ya Laughton but L Schenn is terrible as much as Franson is pretty bad in his own end Franson puts up points can be used on the power play, Luke Schenn is slow footed not horrible but not great defensively gets beat wide constantly (and yes I have watched quite a few Flyers games) plays around 17 mins a night (bottom pairing) and has no offense. Brayden Schenn while much better 200 ft game dosent even come close to the offense of Kadri personaly Id take B schenn over Kadri but to sit there snd dismiss Kadri as a player compared to Schenn is a joke I think a team might take in to account that Kadri has put up 30 more points in a similar number of games and minutes as Schenn. What do you base “I think the flyers will finnish higjer in the standings”? They are 6 points back with 4or 5 teams to pass?
          Sure sounds like you just may hate the Leafs a little bit Gary when every time someone mentions them or their players you scoff and bring up something as ridiculous as some of these Leaf fans proposals slanted in a Flyers fan perspective.
          Luke Schenn is a slow bottom pairing D man and the Flyers are the 9th place team in a weak conference. If all these Flyers players are as superior as you make them out to be what could possibly be the reason for this?

    • That is a major overpayment for Flyers.

      The Schenns plus a pick might make it work, but throwing in Laughton and a first…way, way to much.

      • If the Preds traded Weber for the Schenn brothers and s pick Poile would be fired give your head a shake. Again as bad as any Leaf fans proposal.

      • It might be just my point of view, but if I am Poile, any trade that involves trading Weber to Philly has to involve Couturier. Just seems like a better fit for NSH’s system.

        • If it nvolves Weber I think a trade its not even a conversation unless a first round pick a proven top line player who puts up 20-30 goal 50 + points and a very good prospect They need offense. From the Flyers Leafs or anybody else. Nash got Dubinsky Anisimov (2, 40-50 pt guys) a first round pick and Erixon, Weber is getting considerably more than that.

          • I think you are forgetting to look at the fact at Brayden Schenn is buried behind a whole bunch of centers and is asked to play on the wing. Luke Schenn is only terrible by Leafs fan standers who hated having him, he is a bit slow but with a better defensive coach he will be fine and he will get that in Nashville. The Preds don’t need another guy that fits their system, they need a guy who breaks the mold while playing a 200 ft game, Kadri has one more goal, 9 more points and a terrible +/- playing better minutes then Schenn does. Laughton is an excellent defensive forward with 2nd line potential.

            Maybe more needs to be included for Weber and I know the Leafs fans would love to have him, however the Philly package I proposed is more realistic and valuable to the Predators. Not too mention the cap works far better as well: Weber $7.8 million, Philly sheds $3.6, takes away the worry of signing Schenn and can allow Meszaros or Timonen to walk via UFA and find a cheaper replacement.

          • Again Weber is going to get more then the freaking Schenn brothers and a pick if traded. Watch a few Flyers games Luke Schenn is a minus player on his second team plays bottom pairing minutes for the most part on a 9 th place team it Brayden Schenn plays minutes and a role similar to Kadri yet has 30 points less in the same amount of time. It jas nothing to do with being a Leaf fan the otjer proposal from the Leaf fan isnt close either. A Weber Trade is going to involve better players than the Schenn brothers or Kadri and Franson, think of Nashs deal 2 guys who get 40-50 points so 90 points of production first round pick and a d man. Weber is looking st atleast that.

          • Closer examples of Weber trade ideas more realistic

            Voracek B Schenn L Schenn First round pick

            JVR Kadri Gardiner First round pick

            Hall or Eberle Yakopov J Shultz First round pick

            Its going to be a much bigger deal than either of the 2 dumb proposals listed above, 29 other teams will be bidding and even tho Weber has a big salary that is not going to affect what the Preds will ask for, or get of they decide to deal him. They will want offense lots of it not 40 points and a bottom pairing d man.

          • Luke schenn blows. I wat h every flyers game and he is awful. B schenn is ok still waiting for him to shine. And with coots the flyers might be holding on to. The best 3rd line center in the league.

  8. WFT Schenn? That’s what the Oil need another struggling defenseman. Great reporting out of Boston.

    If the Canucks are looking for a third line center I can think of one team with plenty of those and they play in the East.

    I’m not sure what the Rangers expected out of Richards since he’s pretty much been a 65 – 70 point man most of his career and seems on track to come close to 65 again this year even as he gets older. Just because you over pay a guy doesn’t mean he will elevate his game beyond his norm. Rangers will most likely buy him out since they are loaded and really don’t care about losing some cash.

    It’s looking like most GM’s will be hard at work during the trade freeze trying to consummate deals to announce a day or two after the freeze is lifted so I can’t see much of anything happening this week.

  9. I wonder how much the Clarkson contract in Toronto has changed the tone of negotiations with similar players. I mean, if Clarkson is with 5 and change, isn’t Callahan worth 6? I don’t watch the Rags, I’m a Leafs fan, but it seems that deal is going to have a ripple effect on the NHL landscape

    • I don’t think that’s a fair assumption. There are a lot of players that are better than Callahan that make 6 mill. Players like Couture, Hall, Duchene, Eberle, Sharp, Pavelski all just signed 6 million cap hit deals.. Cally is a fine player, but not as good as these guys. You can only play ‘heart and soul’ guys so much.

    • I agree with RK, You can’t use a bad contract as a good example of a players worth. St. Louis scores 80-100 points a year and his cap hit is around 5.25 million. But I think he took a gross discount to stay with Tampa.

  10. Here are a couple trade proposals for the Canucks. First they trade Edler, Hansen and Weber to the Wings for Quincey, Helm and Brendan Smith. Then they flip Quincey along with Schroeder to the Avalanche for Parenteau and Stefan Elliott. Anyone have any thoughts (other than Edler’s NTC and Weber’s current injury staus) on why these may or may not make sense?

    • So in basis you are flipping Edler, Hansen, Weber, and Schroeder for Helm, Smith, Parenteau, and Elliot. It really doesn’t make sense for any team in my eyes.

      #1 – Vancouver can get a better return for Edler that addresses their forward needs better.
      #2 – The Ave’s ditched Quincey as they didn’t think he was worth the contract they are not going to trade a guy like Parenteau for him, and Schroeder hasn’t shown anyone anything.
      #3 – How does it address any of the teams needs, other than POSSIBLY Vancouver, however they are loading up on small forwards.

      It just seems like very lateral sideways moves for all that are involved.

      • Thanks JJB, I appreciate your thoughts but I’ll have to disagree.

        #1 – Edler is having a down year + and not adjusting to Tortorella’s system very well. He also has a NTC which I believe he would use to select the team he is traded to. I suspect the Wings, Senators and Rangers would be on that short list. So I don’t personally think the Canucks will get a whole lot better in return. I’d like to hear some examples of what you think he could fetch though.

        #2 – It was the previous Avs management that shipped Quincey out. I think, although one is a forward and the other a defenseman, Parenteau and Quincey are not far off in value.

        #3 – Colorado, at least in the articles I’ve read, are looking to add defensive depth and have a surplus of forwards with which to make a deal. Detroit gets the best player involved in Edler (assuming he can break out of his funk) as well as a right hand shot on Defense in Weber. The Canucks get an upgrade at third line center and a potential line mate for the Sedins and they get a little younger as well. I think these trades improve all three rosters short term as well as improving Vancouver’s a little further down the road by adding Smith and Elliott.

        #4 – I will agree that these trades would both be pretty lateral tweaks, but that is just part of the salary cap landscape IMO.

  11. Once again, I see Brooks is ‘wondering” about something that will probably never happen.

  12. Bruce is up to his old crap again. Why would the Kings need Miller? They have Quick, and Martin Jones. As for the Ducks, they have three goalies, plus one in the minors that could be a good one. And the Canucks are stuck with Luongo, so why would they have two, high priced goalies on one team?

  13. Why do leaf fans always always make every discussion and rumor about them? I have never seen a team with fans so self centered. Plus they think every player on there team can compare to every other player in the game. What a joke. I though this was a rumor page not the leafs trade with everyone else and then again page.

    • See Gary.

    • did you not know that the world revolves and caters to these blues and white idiots? hey shticky did you happen to see that hit from behind from kadri last nite? good clean hit …no penalty so no suspension…….awesome….but there is no special treatment right????